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by Tonya on Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:08 pm
From: huronna (Original Message) Sent: 6/19/2007 4:38 AM
Ok I have a question for you?
Lately there are many tutorials coming out that are using scraps. Bows, buttons, ribbons and even little things like brushes and strands of flowers. Even trees and houses. And we are all using them on our tags.
The question has come up....since we require tubes to be credited, when do these scraps or lots of embellishments become items that should be credited. After all they are all made by someone.
I'm getting more and more confused. And what happens if one uses scraps from different scrap kits.
I know that with some artists, for example Rainbow Coffi...if you use her work as bits and peices around a credited artist work, she does not require credits, but if you use her work as the main image she does.
Any opinion would be greatly appreciated.
Ok I have a question for you?
Lately there are many tutorials coming out that are using scraps. Bows, buttons, ribbons and even little things like brushes and strands of flowers. Even trees and houses. And we are all using them on our tags.
The question has come up....since we require tubes to be credited, when do these scraps or lots of embellishments become items that should be credited. After all they are all made by someone.
I'm getting more and more confused. And what happens if one uses scraps from different scrap kits.
I know that with some artists, for example Rainbow Coffi...if you use her work as bits and peices around a credited artist work, she does not require credits, but if you use her work as the main image she does.
Any opinion would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Scrap kits...embellishments...credits???
by Tonya on Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:08 pm
From: pasolover Sent: 6/19/2007 6:04 AM
I notice some scrapkit makers request a link to their site if you use them and credit to them. If I use a scrap kit I usually put in the message where I post that the kit was made by so and so and their link in case anyone else may be intrested in the kit used.
Many scrapkit makers do have a TOU on their site or one will be included with the download, some don't seem to ask for credit, just to enjoy the kit but to send anyone intrested to their site to download and not to redistribute it.
So this is a good question as I know a lot of taggers are using these kits.
From: huronna Sent: 6/19/2007 6:12 AM
In the past 90 minutes I have been posting, surfing TOU and even talking to scrap makers. What a bag of worms this is turning out to be.
Do, Don't, Yes No ARGHHHHHHHH decisions decisions
In the end the final decision will be the individual group and what it allows, but all sides need to be investigated before any decision can be made. Looks like I get no PSPing done today
From: spryte_777 Sent: 6/19/2007 1:21 PM
. . .huronna? why not just follow the scrap maker's ToU's, as long as it doesn't conflict with either MSN's ToU's or the rules of any particular group that you're in??
. . .lol, everytime i see your name, it reminds of that old —what 80's? — song, My Sharonna!!!
From: huronna Sent: 6/19/2007 4:37 PM
ha ha Sharonna is much better than whe people used to ask me if I was a southern judge. yur honor? HA HA
From: caveninit Sent: 6/19/2007 7:39 PM
It really depends on the scrap makers terms...many who realize that their kits are going to be used as tagbacks do allow us to use them with no credit. Those are the only scrap kits I snag.
Plus I make my own and share them in my group..and I don't require any credit to myself.
Hugs
Janet
From: caper222_ Sent: 7/6/2007 4:53 AM
I use scrap kits , I love them ,thye really have beautiful items in there kits . I take the little tag (has all the kit makers info)that is usually with the kit , I resize it and add it to the bottom of the sig . I haven't come across anyone that doesn't allow the use of the kit , I belong to a group that is for scrappers and get lovely kits to download for free . I give credit where credit is due and follow any TOU's that one may have
Sharon
From: Larien_Ar_Feini™ Sent: 7/7/2007 12:12 PM
Sorry i dont agree with any of you. This is not a matter of reading terms of use. Some scrapkit makers make embellishments with art of others....so...its not just a matter of reading the terms .. its also a matter of make sure everything that is made, is REALLY handmade by the scrapkit maker.
So. If the scrapkit is completely ...totally ...100%...made by the scrapkit maker....then yes their terms should be read and followed. If however, the embellishments are made with art from others....then the terms can be what ever they want...but they are in that case no longer valid.
Conny
I notice some scrapkit makers request a link to their site if you use them and credit to them. If I use a scrap kit I usually put in the message where I post that the kit was made by so and so and their link in case anyone else may be intrested in the kit used.
Many scrapkit makers do have a TOU on their site or one will be included with the download, some don't seem to ask for credit, just to enjoy the kit but to send anyone intrested to their site to download and not to redistribute it.
So this is a good question as I know a lot of taggers are using these kits.
From: huronna Sent: 6/19/2007 6:12 AM
In the past 90 minutes I have been posting, surfing TOU and even talking to scrap makers. What a bag of worms this is turning out to be.
Do, Don't, Yes No ARGHHHHHHHH decisions decisions
In the end the final decision will be the individual group and what it allows, but all sides need to be investigated before any decision can be made. Looks like I get no PSPing done today
From: spryte_777 Sent: 6/19/2007 1:21 PM
. . .huronna? why not just follow the scrap maker's ToU's, as long as it doesn't conflict with either MSN's ToU's or the rules of any particular group that you're in??
. . .lol, everytime i see your name, it reminds of that old —what 80's? — song, My Sharonna!!!
From: huronna Sent: 6/19/2007 4:37 PM
ha ha Sharonna is much better than whe people used to ask me if I was a southern judge. yur honor? HA HA
From: caveninit Sent: 6/19/2007 7:39 PM
It really depends on the scrap makers terms...many who realize that their kits are going to be used as tagbacks do allow us to use them with no credit. Those are the only scrap kits I snag.
Plus I make my own and share them in my group..and I don't require any credit to myself.
Hugs
Janet
From: caper222_ Sent: 7/6/2007 4:53 AM
I use scrap kits , I love them ,thye really have beautiful items in there kits . I take the little tag (has all the kit makers info)that is usually with the kit , I resize it and add it to the bottom of the sig . I haven't come across anyone that doesn't allow the use of the kit , I belong to a group that is for scrappers and get lovely kits to download for free . I give credit where credit is due and follow any TOU's that one may have
Sharon
From: Larien_Ar_Feini™ Sent: 7/7/2007 12:12 PM
Sorry i dont agree with any of you. This is not a matter of reading terms of use. Some scrapkit makers make embellishments with art of others....so...its not just a matter of reading the terms .. its also a matter of make sure everything that is made, is REALLY handmade by the scrapkit maker.
So. If the scrapkit is completely ...totally ...100%...made by the scrapkit maker....then yes their terms should be read and followed. If however, the embellishments are made with art from others....then the terms can be what ever they want...but they are in that case no longer valid.
Conny
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Re: Scrap kits...embellishments...credits???
by Tonya on Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:08 pm
From: _Cuddlebug_121 Sent: 7/8/2007 4:29 AM
You are spot on there Conny,
From: Angel_Fyre29 Sent: 7/11/2007 6:14 AM
thats right, conny...if someone uses an artist's work to make their embellishments, then turns around and offers them as their own, it would be just like someone taking an artist's work, tubing it, and saying u have to use their TOU...
if it's something made 100% by the scrapper person, then yes, their TOU must be followed...
From: Moonbeam© Sent: 7/11/2007 1:24 PM
what happens when we use an artists tube and also a scrapkit , some artists dont like anything else but their name on a tag what do we do then ..I know it is probably a silly question
hugs moonbeam
From: MooñShadow•• Sent: 7/11/2007 2:42 PM
multiple © can and do happen, it depends on the artist... if they flat state no, then no means no, but not always.
Sometimes they make exceptions, other times they don't.
Other times artists will consider it when asked and shown an example of the image and it is explained how and where it will be used.
This topic can also be addressed on the Pay For Use board, CILM: there are tubes and there photo's that you credit both artists if using 2 artists work. It's in their TOU.
Poser artists also can be put into this as well. Many stated their work can be used with others.
It is not a blanket no to combining artists, it all depends on who it is.
From: Ellie000 Sent: 9/17/2007 1:44 PM
Well Ive used a scrap kit not offten though..
I got the web address from a Scrapkit monthy magazine,
the Company sells kits but now & again has one or two free to download.
I feel if its a company then they are doing things right as its their buisness & their loss if they dont follow ©
From: _Cuddlebug_121 Sent: 9/18/2007 9:44 AM
Its simple really,
ASK!!!
All you have to do is e mail the Scrap maker and explain and ask them!!!
Although I use alot of scraps and I have yet to see one that insists on having their © on them... they know that if used with an artist the artist will come first and some dont allow another © along with theirs.
For those that do there isnt a problem anyway you just put both on the tags etc.
If I am wrong I would love to know the names etc of those scrap makers that insist you do have to use their ©.
You are spot on there Conny,
From: Angel_Fyre29 Sent: 7/11/2007 6:14 AM
thats right, conny...if someone uses an artist's work to make their embellishments, then turns around and offers them as their own, it would be just like someone taking an artist's work, tubing it, and saying u have to use their TOU...
if it's something made 100% by the scrapper person, then yes, their TOU must be followed...
From: Moonbeam© Sent: 7/11/2007 1:24 PM
what happens when we use an artists tube and also a scrapkit , some artists dont like anything else but their name on a tag what do we do then ..I know it is probably a silly question
hugs moonbeam
From: MooñShadow•• Sent: 7/11/2007 2:42 PM
multiple © can and do happen, it depends on the artist... if they flat state no, then no means no, but not always.
Sometimes they make exceptions, other times they don't.
Other times artists will consider it when asked and shown an example of the image and it is explained how and where it will be used.
This topic can also be addressed on the Pay For Use board, CILM: there are tubes and there photo's that you credit both artists if using 2 artists work. It's in their TOU.
Poser artists also can be put into this as well. Many stated their work can be used with others.
It is not a blanket no to combining artists, it all depends on who it is.
From: Ellie000 Sent: 9/17/2007 1:44 PM
Well Ive used a scrap kit not offten though..
I got the web address from a Scrapkit monthy magazine,
the Company sells kits but now & again has one or two free to download.
I feel if its a company then they are doing things right as its their buisness & their loss if they dont follow ©
From: _Cuddlebug_121 Sent: 9/18/2007 9:44 AM
Its simple really,
ASK!!!
All you have to do is e mail the Scrap maker and explain and ask them!!!
Although I use alot of scraps and I have yet to see one that insists on having their © on them... they know that if used with an artist the artist will come first and some dont allow another © along with theirs.
For those that do there isnt a problem anyway you just put both on the tags etc.
If I am wrong I would love to know the names etc of those scrap makers that insist you do have to use their ©.
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Re: Scrap kits...embellishments...credits???
by Tonya on Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:09 pm
From: _Cuddlebug_121 Sent: 9/18/2007 9:44 AM
Its simple really,
ASK!!!
All you have to do is e mail the Scrap maker and explain and ask them!!!
Although I use alot of scraps and I have yet to see one that insists on having their © on them... they know that if used with an artist the artist will come first and some dont allow another © along with theirs.
For those that do there isnt a problem anyway you just put both on the tags etc.
If I am wrong I would love to know the names etc of those scrap makers that insist you do have to use their ©.
From: ausfire2 Sent: 9/20/2007 2:55 PM
I don't like splitting scrapkits and using a bit from here and a bit from there.
To me thats like taking an eye from one artist and an arm from another aritst work.
But then I do make 90% of the scrapkits I use myself so I know its completely safe.
However, I've told my group members to not split kits.....use in full or not at all and
then credit with something like 'scrapkit by xxxxxx' or something similar. Therefore the artists ©can be on the tag and be the only ©.
Its like artists work......only get scrapkits where you can be sure that the kits are
legit and not a potpourri of work from other scrapkit creators. There are hundreds of wonderful scrapping sites now. Most require you to join (free) and offer kits done
by members that is 100% their own work. You usually also get freestuff in their news letters done by members of each group. They also offer free embellishments that can be used in tags as well as full kits.
From: Kim_or_Lavey Sent: 11/9/2007 12:32 PM
This really caught my interest so I hope it's ok to post.
I have saved many a scrap kit that has come through many copyright safe groups I'm in. I have looked carefully at some of these kits and you are fooling yourself if you believe that these women all made what they sell or give away as free. Many, MANY kits contain ribbons and bows or buttons that are CLEARLY real material. If we are going to nitpick then NONE of the scrap-kits should be used unless you can truly tell that they were made from scratch as even material has a copyright.
From: sally_jeannie Sent: 3/10/2008 6:01 PM
Thanks for the info
From: ooh_babelicious Sent: 3/14/2008 10:49 AM
Yes, some is made from photos or scans of REAL material, if I tie a bow from material and take a photo, it's my photo. And as part of a kit it's made by me from scratch.
From: Susy· Sent: 5/17/2008 2:34 AM
Sooooo wouldnt it be better to just use psp Jasc/Coral tubes, shapes, masks the list goes on.
you can do any kind of effect with these even leave them as is on a tag
(remembering that you have to make something with them..)
then when you have finished..
If its all your work it can be © to you.
???
As far as I know you cannot ©something to yourself that uses Corel tubes.
You cannot © anything to yourself if you're not the "original" artist.
Susy
From: ©SweetHeart1 Sent: 7/12/2008 5:50 PM
Reposting WITHOUT the active links....
From: BonnieMojo51 Sent: 13/07/2008 11:13 AM
I usually only use scrap kits that do not require a © - example TOU's
Bagz of Scrapz Terms of Use
------------------------------
All Bagz of Scrapz items are for personal use only. No commercial use is allowed under any circumstances.
Please do not claim these scraps as your own.
Please do not alter any of them and claim them as your own.
You may resize or colourize them to suit your projects, tags etc.
Please do not change the filenames.
Please do not upload to any website (except for tutorial writers)
This kit is only for personal use.
Please do not redistribute or share this kit.
Thank you.
I hope you like it. :-)
hawra
www DOT digiscraphawra DOT blogspot DOT com
The pay kits I buy have these TOU's where a credit is only required if your layout is used in a printed publication
(c)2007 by Manuela Zimmermann
All Rights Reserved
All copyrights to elements, graphics, and papers within this kit are retained by Manuela Zimmermann
Unless otherwise specified Manuela Zimmermann’s page sets and graphic images are for personal use only
Manuela Zimmermann retains and reserves the right to modify, update and change the Terms of Use for all digital designs at anytime with or without notice
You May
*Change these images to fit your personal style, color, size and preferance
*install and use the Product on a single computer and a single laptop
*copy and modify the Product for your own personal use.
*copy and modify the Product for use and outlined below only
*use the Product in layouts submitted to publications
*The Product may be used in your scrapbooking projects that are published in print or digital scrapbooking publications. Please provide credit back to Manuela Zimmermann
You may not
*share, loan, rent, resell, or distribute the original digital Product or the modified digital Product either individually or in a collection
*use the Product on more than one computer and one laptop at a time
*make copies of the Product other than for back-up purposes
You also may not to use the content for any harmful, pornographic, or racial material or material that may be deemed harmful or offensive to another person
Limited Liability
Under no circumstances, including negligence, shall Manuela Zimmermann be responsible for any damages or loss that result from the use of, or
inability to use the Product
Manuela Zimmermann
From: ©SweetHeart1 Sent: 7/12/2008 5:53 PM
Personally i miss the old days when taggers actually used thier imaginations to make tags and not relied on scap kits to embellish thier tags.It's rare gto see a tag these days that isn't made with some sirt of scrap enhancement
As it's already been sasid...we are risking it by useing kits anyway since 90% of the stuff in any kit is not made from scratch...but scanned and tubed...or using clip art or other orphan art...such as flowers etc.
A friend recently made me a beautiful tag....useing elements from a scrap kit...the elements were flowers thtat used in normal conditions anyone would question...but becauses it came in a kit no one questioned it
*sigh*
Its simple really,
ASK!!!
All you have to do is e mail the Scrap maker and explain and ask them!!!
Although I use alot of scraps and I have yet to see one that insists on having their © on them... they know that if used with an artist the artist will come first and some dont allow another © along with theirs.
For those that do there isnt a problem anyway you just put both on the tags etc.
If I am wrong I would love to know the names etc of those scrap makers that insist you do have to use their ©.
From: ausfire2 Sent: 9/20/2007 2:55 PM
I don't like splitting scrapkits and using a bit from here and a bit from there.
To me thats like taking an eye from one artist and an arm from another aritst work.
But then I do make 90% of the scrapkits I use myself so I know its completely safe.
However, I've told my group members to not split kits.....use in full or not at all and
then credit with something like 'scrapkit by xxxxxx' or something similar. Therefore the artists ©can be on the tag and be the only ©.
Its like artists work......only get scrapkits where you can be sure that the kits are
legit and not a potpourri of work from other scrapkit creators. There are hundreds of wonderful scrapping sites now. Most require you to join (free) and offer kits done
by members that is 100% their own work. You usually also get freestuff in their news letters done by members of each group. They also offer free embellishments that can be used in tags as well as full kits.
From: Kim_or_Lavey Sent: 11/9/2007 12:32 PM
This really caught my interest so I hope it's ok to post.
I have saved many a scrap kit that has come through many copyright safe groups I'm in. I have looked carefully at some of these kits and you are fooling yourself if you believe that these women all made what they sell or give away as free. Many, MANY kits contain ribbons and bows or buttons that are CLEARLY real material. If we are going to nitpick then NONE of the scrap-kits should be used unless you can truly tell that they were made from scratch as even material has a copyright.
From: sally_jeannie Sent: 3/10/2008 6:01 PM
Thanks for the info
From: ooh_babelicious Sent: 3/14/2008 10:49 AM
Yes, some is made from photos or scans of REAL material, if I tie a bow from material and take a photo, it's my photo. And as part of a kit it's made by me from scratch.
From: Susy· Sent: 5/17/2008 2:34 AM
Sooooo wouldnt it be better to just use psp Jasc/Coral tubes, shapes, masks the list goes on.
you can do any kind of effect with these even leave them as is on a tag
(remembering that you have to make something with them..)
then when you have finished..
If its all your work it can be © to you.
???
As far as I know you cannot ©something to yourself that uses Corel tubes.
You cannot © anything to yourself if you're not the "original" artist.
Susy
From: ©SweetHeart1 Sent: 7/12/2008 5:50 PM
Reposting WITHOUT the active links....
From: BonnieMojo51 Sent: 13/07/2008 11:13 AM
I usually only use scrap kits that do not require a © - example TOU's
Bagz of Scrapz Terms of Use
------------------------------
All Bagz of Scrapz items are for personal use only. No commercial use is allowed under any circumstances.
Please do not claim these scraps as your own.
Please do not alter any of them and claim them as your own.
You may resize or colourize them to suit your projects, tags etc.
Please do not change the filenames.
Please do not upload to any website (except for tutorial writers)
This kit is only for personal use.
Please do not redistribute or share this kit.
Thank you.
I hope you like it. :-)
hawra
www DOT digiscraphawra DOT blogspot DOT com
The pay kits I buy have these TOU's where a credit is only required if your layout is used in a printed publication
(c)2007 by Manuela Zimmermann
All Rights Reserved
All copyrights to elements, graphics, and papers within this kit are retained by Manuela Zimmermann
Unless otherwise specified Manuela Zimmermann’s page sets and graphic images are for personal use only
Manuela Zimmermann retains and reserves the right to modify, update and change the Terms of Use for all digital designs at anytime with or without notice
You May
*Change these images to fit your personal style, color, size and preferance
*install and use the Product on a single computer and a single laptop
*copy and modify the Product for your own personal use.
*copy and modify the Product for use and outlined below only
*use the Product in layouts submitted to publications
*The Product may be used in your scrapbooking projects that are published in print or digital scrapbooking publications. Please provide credit back to Manuela Zimmermann
You may not
*share, loan, rent, resell, or distribute the original digital Product or the modified digital Product either individually or in a collection
*use the Product on more than one computer and one laptop at a time
*make copies of the Product other than for back-up purposes
You also may not to use the content for any harmful, pornographic, or racial material or material that may be deemed harmful or offensive to another person
Limited Liability
Under no circumstances, including negligence, shall Manuela Zimmermann be responsible for any damages or loss that result from the use of, or
inability to use the Product
Manuela Zimmermann
From: ©SweetHeart1 Sent: 7/12/2008 5:53 PM
Personally i miss the old days when taggers actually used thier imaginations to make tags and not relied on scap kits to embellish thier tags.It's rare gto see a tag these days that isn't made with some sirt of scrap enhancement
As it's already been sasid...we are risking it by useing kits anyway since 90% of the stuff in any kit is not made from scratch...but scanned and tubed...or using clip art or other orphan art...such as flowers etc.
A friend recently made me a beautiful tag....useing elements from a scrap kit...the elements were flowers thtat used in normal conditions anyone would question...but becauses it came in a kit no one questioned it
*sigh*
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Re: Scrap kits...embellishments...credits???
by Tonya on Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:10 pm
From: BonnieMojo51 Sent: 7/12/2008 7:23 PM
I have come across some scrapers using Morehead art which is a No-No and saying they want you to use their © - Huh?? I don't think so unless you have Morehead Inc? permission in writing. LOL
Sorry about links - I will put the stuff in note pad next time before I paste it here.
One reason I pay for most of the scrapkits I use, is because it is stated in their TOU's that they creasted everything - so they are liable. I also tend to avoid ones with art - all though I have some of Monti's cute pixel stuff - but it's all in it's own folder with his name and with his TOUs lol
From: Sassy Sent: 7/13/2008 6:08 AM
I just love Monti's stuff... (who's a she btw )
I've seen some scrapkits being offered through one of the PTU sites and there were a couple of graphics included that I'm pretty sure have to have a copyright and they don't. I'm really confused about all the scrap stuff anymore
HUGS
Sassy
From: SophisticatedScraps Sent: 7/19/2008 8:27 PM
Most scrappers use commercial use resources hun..
legally purchased and hence legally used.
If not they make them themselves, or photograph the element themselves then extract the image, or purchase pics from photographers.
Most scrappers are just as aware (if not more so) of copyright as you are.
From: Booo© Sent: 7/20/2008 10:53 AM
I hate scraps and embellishments. Embellishments often belong to a PTU artist or one who requires credit.
As for scraps, I used to think they were so pretty, then downloaded one that had artwork from numerous artists, some of which don't even allow use
And I just don't get the whole....
©artist
scraps by so n so
Umm ok so you avoid the whole multi-copyright, but isn't that still two credits?
Personally I'd sooner just add the two © symbols PROVIDING both artists are agreeable. Unfortunately, agreeable or otherwise, some group managers don't allow it.
From: TigerTulip1 Sent: 7/21/2008 10:15 AM
AS FAR as the pictures and embellishments I make Mine and there are tutorial groups out there that provide Scrap embellshment tutorials for ppl to learn & I use my OWN pictures .
So I don't really think it 's fare to loop all ppl that work hard on scrapkits looping them in with others that violate any cr.
There are alot of Decent scrapkit makers out there ..
I'm sorry Raq for blowing a fuse .
From: ©SweetHeart1 Sent: 7/21/2008 2:19 PM
No probs hun...but if you read my post properly you would see that we are NOT lumping all scrap makers in the same bucket....I said 90%....that still leaves the decent 10% of copyright aware scrappers.I have brought scraps myself that contain elements i wouldn't use....
Scrappers and tubers are the same i think when it comes to being copyright aware...you get a lot who don't give a damn...but the good ones that do supply top quality stuff that is a pleasure to use.
This is not an open argument....we could go round in circles on this forever but we won't...
Raq
From: Kim_or_Lavey Sent: 7/21/2008 8:49 PM
I hate to put a damper on things.. however..
I remember a while back when this came up as a discussion in Renderosity regarding patterns/materials/etc. Just because someone buys some material, takes a photo, doesn't make that theirs. The photo is, but that material and the pattern on it is copyrighted to the company that made it. Material at Render was removed for this very reason.
From: ©SweetHeart1 Sent: 7/21/2008 9:46 PM
This is not an open argument....we could go round in circles on this forever but we won't...
<>
I have come across some scrapers using Morehead art which is a No-No and saying they want you to use their © - Huh?? I don't think so unless you have Morehead Inc? permission in writing. LOL
Sorry about links - I will put the stuff in note pad next time before I paste it here.
One reason I pay for most of the scrapkits I use, is because it is stated in their TOU's that they creasted everything - so they are liable. I also tend to avoid ones with art - all though I have some of Monti's cute pixel stuff - but it's all in it's own folder with his name and with his TOUs lol
From: Sassy Sent: 7/13/2008 6:08 AM
I just love Monti's stuff... (who's a she btw )
I've seen some scrapkits being offered through one of the PTU sites and there were a couple of graphics included that I'm pretty sure have to have a copyright and they don't. I'm really confused about all the scrap stuff anymore
HUGS
Sassy
From: SophisticatedScraps Sent: 7/19/2008 8:27 PM
Most scrappers use commercial use resources hun..
legally purchased and hence legally used.
If not they make them themselves, or photograph the element themselves then extract the image, or purchase pics from photographers.
Most scrappers are just as aware (if not more so) of copyright as you are.
From: Booo© Sent: 7/20/2008 10:53 AM
I hate scraps and embellishments. Embellishments often belong to a PTU artist or one who requires credit.
As for scraps, I used to think they were so pretty, then downloaded one that had artwork from numerous artists, some of which don't even allow use
And I just don't get the whole....
©artist
scraps by so n so
Umm ok so you avoid the whole multi-copyright, but isn't that still two credits?
Personally I'd sooner just add the two © symbols PROVIDING both artists are agreeable. Unfortunately, agreeable or otherwise, some group managers don't allow it.
From: TigerTulip1 Sent: 7/21/2008 10:15 AM
AS FAR as the pictures and embellishments I make Mine and there are tutorial groups out there that provide Scrap embellshment tutorials for ppl to learn & I use my OWN pictures .
So I don't really think it 's fare to loop all ppl that work hard on scrapkits looping them in with others that violate any cr.
There are alot of Decent scrapkit makers out there ..
I'm sorry Raq for blowing a fuse .
From: ©SweetHeart1 Sent: 7/21/2008 2:19 PM
No probs hun...but if you read my post properly you would see that we are NOT lumping all scrap makers in the same bucket....I said 90%....that still leaves the decent 10% of copyright aware scrappers.I have brought scraps myself that contain elements i wouldn't use....
Scrappers and tubers are the same i think when it comes to being copyright aware...you get a lot who don't give a damn...but the good ones that do supply top quality stuff that is a pleasure to use.
This is not an open argument....we could go round in circles on this forever but we won't...
Raq
From: Kim_or_Lavey Sent: 7/21/2008 8:49 PM
I hate to put a damper on things.. however..
I remember a while back when this came up as a discussion in Renderosity regarding patterns/materials/etc. Just because someone buys some material, takes a photo, doesn't make that theirs. The photo is, but that material and the pattern on it is copyrighted to the company that made it. Material at Render was removed for this very reason.
From: ©SweetHeart1 Sent: 7/21/2008 9:46 PM
This is not an open argument....we could go round in circles on this forever but we won't...
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