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by Tonya on Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:11 pm
From: Booo© (Original Message) Sent: 1/03/2005 1:32 PM
Lately I have heard of more and more groups saying taggers cannot put a © beside their name. Is there a reason for that? Don't artists like to see it?
Am asking so's I can update my own group rules. Personally I don't like to add my name to tags and have never done that, but I need to know if I should be updating my group rules.
Hope this is the correct place to ask. It's not exactly a question about artist copyrights, so if not let me know
luv Booo
From: ♥♥Shivers♥♥ Sent: 1/03/2005 2:06 PM
If I add my name, I add TagbyShivers but © to the artist
I cant claim art that I didnt make...but...having said that... I dont delete tags if other members do it.
From: ♥♥Shivers♥♥ Sent: 1/03/2005 2:09 PM
just adding...
artists dont like it actually.
I read a rant by a well known, now gild, artist, where he went off about taggers *erasing his backgrounds adding a name and claiming copyright*
probably what helped to push him to join the gild...
From: Booo© Sent: 1/03/2005 3:12 PM
ok thank you for all replies. They are very much appreciated And I am off to alter my group rules.
luv Booo
From: JustMeAnnoyed Sent: 1/03/2005 8:34 PM
I've never put ©myself on any of my tags either, and never would. I also agree that if i haven't made the entire thing myself, i shouldn't put any kind of rights on it. IMHO, the only © mark should the be artists. I do however think that you should put tag by, or made by etc, on the tags you make. For one, you should be proud of what you've done, and for me, if i've done something right or wrong, I'd like my 'mark' to be on it so I can claim it. I put Tagged by Beth on all of mine.
Beth~
From: Foofsmom Sent: 1/03/2005 9:50 PM
I now use a symbol of a cat w/ my intitals and the year. LOL since I am Foofsmom (he's my oldest kitty)
Cindy
From: ♣Danimkenney♣ Sent: 2/03/2005 8:26 AM
ok this is probably gonna make some mad, but I dont put any type of watermark or sig on my tags, I put my name in the file name but I feel the only name on the tag should be the artist, since all I did was some copy and pasteing and click some buttons for filters and what nots.........sorry but this is how I feel and I make the tags for friends so I feel my name in the file name is more than enough, besides I have seen some taggers marks that really are huge or distracting.
Okay runs and hides.......doesnt want rotten tomato's thrown at her
Dani
From: ♪♥Candice♥♪ Sent: 2/03/2005 9:09 AM
My 2 cents... I NEVER put ©Candice on tags where I use another artists work. Even if it's public domain or royalty free. I WILL put ©CB on tags where I've used my own photos that I've taken myself. I DO put tag'd by Candice on all tags I create with ©artist on the tag in a prominant spot. I think it's ok to get credit for being creative enough to create the tag. I don't hold the copyright to other artist's work but I do hold the copyright to my photographs.
From: Booo© Sent: 2/03/2005 11:01 AM
Thanks for all input on this. I did change my rules so that any members doing psp cannot put ©tagger's name. They can have something along the lines of tagged by tagger's name though. I personally don't ever give myself credit. I'm probably leaving myself wide open to stuff I make getting stolen, but it's something I just never did. Possibly because for the first few months of having psp I taught myself and never even thought about creditting.
luv Booo
From: «Ľěěťä»™ Sent: 1/06/2005 11:17 PM
I don't use the © with my watermark and when I do remember to use it I always try to make it blend in with the pic....so it's harder to try and erase, altho I know there are experts out there that can take any watermark out but I try to make it as hard as possible for them lol...yes I know I'm paranoid...but it's happened to me a couple of times
And I agree....there's some watermarks out there that are just as big as the tag the first thing u see is the watermark and not the tag.
From: EnchantedAngel-Lisa Sent: 12/06/2005 8:58 AM
Ok, I got a reply for this one, I was told by Rob Carlos that you can not put © beside your name/nic/watermark, on other artist's works. You can put your watermark, and it is recommended that you do so your work can be identified, but it the artwork is © to an artist, then you obviously must put it for the artitst, it causes legal problems.
Here's a excerpt of what he wrote:
Also, I don't allow people to put a separate copyright notice of their own on my work. I've noticed that people are starting to do that, and it makes for artist's problems legally. Only my name (Rob Carlos) may be used with a copyright mark - © on my artwork.
Hugs, Lisa
From: Karen4HIM1951 Sent: 12/06/2005 4:17 PM
What I do is put:
TAG By:: KLSSE ART: © and the artists name
when I make a tag with someone elses art on it.
From: ©SweetHeart1 Sent: 29/10/2005 6:20 PM
I don't put anything on my tags except the artist info.
Raq
From: InaneGlory™ Sent: 31/10/2005 1:43 PM
You should put a distinctive watermark or 'Tagged by...' notice on any tag that contains images that require the original artist's © To not do so is to effectively say that the tag was created solely by the artist & not by you. Might not seem like a big deal to you but it could be for the artist.
Lets say you take a Brian Rood pinup, tube it by striping off the background & apply the tube to a background created by you. Now as a ©aware person you follow his TOU & credit him & his web site on your tag but include no mention that you created the tag. Now I, a prospective client of his, stumbles upon your tag &
A) Think its the greatest thing in the world & I want to by the exclusive rights to it & he has no idea what I'm talking about or
B) Think the whole composition is total crap & start re-evaluating if he is the right artist for me.
From: Mamaof4girlz™ Sent: 14/03/2006 4:20 AM
I always put "tagged by Heidi" along with the the artist (c) info .. & I never put them next to each other or under the artist info .. I've seen some of my older work stolen & re tagged .. this was long before I started putting my info on them .. Thanks for the heads up .. Hugs Heidi
From: ©SweetHeart1 Sent: 16/05/2006 6:10 AM
I never put my watermark on any tags i make...it's a personal choice....I just think that the only watermark on the tag should be the artists credit as it's the artists work you are tagging
Raq
From: ♥--Shelly--♥ Sent: 16/05/2006 9:07 AM
Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't it all depends really, sometimes I do it (as sig said) to identify as that was the tag I made and no one else can claim it, though it's not like before where people would steal your stuff, we as taggers have come a long way, though there are still a few out there that can be a shaddy, so again it's all in preference really. Write in tiny print if ya want to keep track of your tags, normally that's what I do
From: Wh¥£dÇhï£Ð Sent: 22/05/2006 1:07 AM
using a watermarks on tags you create is up to those creating them
But I personally think using a © mark should only be usd for the purpose of naming the artist of the work because not all people realize who the artist is with more than one © symbol on an image so unless you actually drew it you should never put a copyright on an image unless it is of that artist
If you want to put tagged by or such that's up to individuals
I very very rarely add a watermark
From: jovigirl33 Sent: 30/01/2007 5:39 AM
I always watermark everything now and people still take that off too. I never place a copyright symbol next to by name.
Reasons behind this
1)This way if I do anything wrong the artists is not blamed
2) I also think this is a good way to keep track in case only a handful of people have written permission from an artist.
3) Also I have been spotting my tags all over My Space.Some with my nickname removed.I also now make a very small copyright of the actual artist and place it somewhere on the art it self.You can lower the opacity too. I know people can remove this too but others can usually see a slight smudge in that area if it is removed..
4) I am now also starting to write used with written permission on non online permission artists tags.
From: Grianne_Ohmsford Sent: 2/02/2007 12:32 AM
I have read this thread from the beginning and it makes for interesting reading all the differing opinions.
One thing I did notice is that there seems to be some confusion over the difference between © and a watermark.
© is solely reserved for the original artist of the tube/image/photo/drawing/painting you are using to make your tag. If ytou yourself made it from scratch totally with either pen/pencil/paper/paints/camera/graphics program then you have every right to use the © mark
Watermark is what you choose to put on your tag to identify it as one that you made - i.e. tagged by Tee/ TeeTag etc or a semi transparent image/ding etc with your initials/name or some other identifying mark.
From: «Lassie» Sent: 2/02/2007 5:33 AM
Well i ahve see this myself ©Tagged by bla bla so is this right in my eyes no as they are not crediting artists
What can you do ?speak to a brick wall in my case
From: FlirtyMouse Sent: 18/03/2007 6:41 PM
I use MFMDesigns for mine and the artist's marks.
From: Happysoul· Sent: 18/03/2007 11:39 PM
Hi,
I put Haps's tag in a very inconspicious place also use the luminance
legacy to make it similar to the background, never near the Artist's©
as that is not done.
This is also a transparent watermark, & is accepted by a lot of msn
groups that state you must watermark.
Happy
From: crazykittie27 Sent: 2/08/2007 11:57 AM
i put 2 watermarks on all my tags one is visible the other isnt unless your looking for it. but also if some trys to take a tag ive made an dismatle it, which i have had that done, one thing in psp a lot dont know about is the image info. every tag i create an put my own name on it gets image info, 2 watermarks on the tag an plus my name goes in the file name of the tag. makes it almost impossible for someone to dismantle my tags. another thing is i save a blank base for every tag i make.
From: ●Denny Sent: 2/08/2007 8:45 PM
I gave up putting my watermark on the tags I make a long time ago. What I do though ... is keep all the blanks I made, with the layers all showing ... on my pc. So ... this way, I can show everyone that I have made the tag ... and also it's got the date in the properties box.
My watermarks are continually removed ... so don't bother. Sometimes I also put Denz tag on my tags ... but that's about it.
You can try and try, but not everyone really wants to understand what is right and wrong ... and they will continue to do what they want.
From: agrnbaypackrfan Sent: 27/03/2008 9:46 PM
I just have realized how naive I am! I did not realize that people can remove watermarks etc or dismantle a tag....I guess if identy theft is a big issue out there, this would be a piece of cake, but just don't understand why the would do that. I always try to credit the artist and if I cannot find, just don't use anymore. Thanx for all the great info!
From: Janyzocean Sent: 24/04/2008 11:20 AM
I don't make tags. I do like to use them. Thanks for the info. I will be looking for copyright and watermarks.
Love Jan
Lately I have heard of more and more groups saying taggers cannot put a © beside their name. Is there a reason for that? Don't artists like to see it?
Am asking so's I can update my own group rules. Personally I don't like to add my name to tags and have never done that, but I need to know if I should be updating my group rules.
Hope this is the correct place to ask. It's not exactly a question about artist copyrights, so if not let me know
luv Booo
From: ♥♥Shivers♥♥ Sent: 1/03/2005 2:06 PM
If I add my name, I add TagbyShivers but © to the artist
I cant claim art that I didnt make...but...having said that... I dont delete tags if other members do it.
From: ♥♥Shivers♥♥ Sent: 1/03/2005 2:09 PM
just adding...
artists dont like it actually.
I read a rant by a well known, now gild, artist, where he went off about taggers *erasing his backgrounds adding a name and claiming copyright*
probably what helped to push him to join the gild...
From: Booo© Sent: 1/03/2005 3:12 PM
ok thank you for all replies. They are very much appreciated And I am off to alter my group rules.
luv Booo
From: JustMeAnnoyed Sent: 1/03/2005 8:34 PM
I've never put ©myself on any of my tags either, and never would. I also agree that if i haven't made the entire thing myself, i shouldn't put any kind of rights on it. IMHO, the only © mark should the be artists. I do however think that you should put tag by, or made by etc, on the tags you make. For one, you should be proud of what you've done, and for me, if i've done something right or wrong, I'd like my 'mark' to be on it so I can claim it. I put Tagged by Beth on all of mine.
Beth~
From: Foofsmom Sent: 1/03/2005 9:50 PM
I now use a symbol of a cat w/ my intitals and the year. LOL since I am Foofsmom (he's my oldest kitty)
Cindy
From: ♣Danimkenney♣ Sent: 2/03/2005 8:26 AM
ok this is probably gonna make some mad, but I dont put any type of watermark or sig on my tags, I put my name in the file name but I feel the only name on the tag should be the artist, since all I did was some copy and pasteing and click some buttons for filters and what nots.........sorry but this is how I feel and I make the tags for friends so I feel my name in the file name is more than enough, besides I have seen some taggers marks that really are huge or distracting.
Okay runs and hides.......doesnt want rotten tomato's thrown at her
Dani
From: ♪♥Candice♥♪ Sent: 2/03/2005 9:09 AM
My 2 cents... I NEVER put ©Candice on tags where I use another artists work. Even if it's public domain or royalty free. I WILL put ©CB on tags where I've used my own photos that I've taken myself. I DO put tag'd by Candice on all tags I create with ©artist on the tag in a prominant spot. I think it's ok to get credit for being creative enough to create the tag. I don't hold the copyright to other artist's work but I do hold the copyright to my photographs.
From: Booo© Sent: 2/03/2005 11:01 AM
Thanks for all input on this. I did change my rules so that any members doing psp cannot put ©tagger's name. They can have something along the lines of tagged by tagger's name though. I personally don't ever give myself credit. I'm probably leaving myself wide open to stuff I make getting stolen, but it's something I just never did. Possibly because for the first few months of having psp I taught myself and never even thought about creditting.
luv Booo
From: «Ľěěťä»™ Sent: 1/06/2005 11:17 PM
I don't use the © with my watermark and when I do remember to use it I always try to make it blend in with the pic....so it's harder to try and erase, altho I know there are experts out there that can take any watermark out but I try to make it as hard as possible for them lol...yes I know I'm paranoid...but it's happened to me a couple of times
And I agree....there's some watermarks out there that are just as big as the tag the first thing u see is the watermark and not the tag.
From: EnchantedAngel-Lisa Sent: 12/06/2005 8:58 AM
Ok, I got a reply for this one, I was told by Rob Carlos that you can not put © beside your name/nic/watermark, on other artist's works. You can put your watermark, and it is recommended that you do so your work can be identified, but it the artwork is © to an artist, then you obviously must put it for the artitst, it causes legal problems.
Here's a excerpt of what he wrote:
Also, I don't allow people to put a separate copyright notice of their own on my work. I've noticed that people are starting to do that, and it makes for artist's problems legally. Only my name (Rob Carlos) may be used with a copyright mark - © on my artwork.
Hugs, Lisa
From: Karen4HIM1951 Sent: 12/06/2005 4:17 PM
What I do is put:
TAG By:: KLSSE ART: © and the artists name
when I make a tag with someone elses art on it.
From: ©SweetHeart1 Sent: 29/10/2005 6:20 PM
I don't put anything on my tags except the artist info.
Raq
From: InaneGlory™ Sent: 31/10/2005 1:43 PM
You should put a distinctive watermark or 'Tagged by...' notice on any tag that contains images that require the original artist's © To not do so is to effectively say that the tag was created solely by the artist & not by you. Might not seem like a big deal to you but it could be for the artist.
Lets say you take a Brian Rood pinup, tube it by striping off the background & apply the tube to a background created by you. Now as a ©aware person you follow his TOU & credit him & his web site on your tag but include no mention that you created the tag. Now I, a prospective client of his, stumbles upon your tag &
A) Think its the greatest thing in the world & I want to by the exclusive rights to it & he has no idea what I'm talking about or
B) Think the whole composition is total crap & start re-evaluating if he is the right artist for me.
From: Mamaof4girlz™ Sent: 14/03/2006 4:20 AM
I always put "tagged by Heidi" along with the the artist (c) info .. & I never put them next to each other or under the artist info .. I've seen some of my older work stolen & re tagged .. this was long before I started putting my info on them .. Thanks for the heads up .. Hugs Heidi
From: ©SweetHeart1 Sent: 16/05/2006 6:10 AM
I never put my watermark on any tags i make...it's a personal choice....I just think that the only watermark on the tag should be the artists credit as it's the artists work you are tagging
Raq
From: ♥--Shelly--♥ Sent: 16/05/2006 9:07 AM
Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't it all depends really, sometimes I do it (as sig said) to identify as that was the tag I made and no one else can claim it, though it's not like before where people would steal your stuff, we as taggers have come a long way, though there are still a few out there that can be a shaddy, so again it's all in preference really. Write in tiny print if ya want to keep track of your tags, normally that's what I do
From: Wh¥£dÇhï£Ð Sent: 22/05/2006 1:07 AM
using a watermarks on tags you create is up to those creating them
But I personally think using a © mark should only be usd for the purpose of naming the artist of the work because not all people realize who the artist is with more than one © symbol on an image so unless you actually drew it you should never put a copyright on an image unless it is of that artist
If you want to put tagged by or such that's up to individuals
I very very rarely add a watermark
From: jovigirl33 Sent: 30/01/2007 5:39 AM
I always watermark everything now and people still take that off too. I never place a copyright symbol next to by name.
Reasons behind this
1)This way if I do anything wrong the artists is not blamed
2) I also think this is a good way to keep track in case only a handful of people have written permission from an artist.
3) Also I have been spotting my tags all over My Space.Some with my nickname removed.I also now make a very small copyright of the actual artist and place it somewhere on the art it self.You can lower the opacity too. I know people can remove this too but others can usually see a slight smudge in that area if it is removed..
4) I am now also starting to write used with written permission on non online permission artists tags.
From: Grianne_Ohmsford Sent: 2/02/2007 12:32 AM
I have read this thread from the beginning and it makes for interesting reading all the differing opinions.
One thing I did notice is that there seems to be some confusion over the difference between © and a watermark.
© is solely reserved for the original artist of the tube/image/photo/drawing/painting you are using to make your tag. If ytou yourself made it from scratch totally with either pen/pencil/paper/paints/camera/graphics program then you have every right to use the © mark
Watermark is what you choose to put on your tag to identify it as one that you made - i.e. tagged by Tee/ TeeTag etc or a semi transparent image/ding etc with your initials/name or some other identifying mark.
From: «Lassie» Sent: 2/02/2007 5:33 AM
Well i ahve see this myself ©Tagged by bla bla so is this right in my eyes no as they are not crediting artists
What can you do ?speak to a brick wall in my case
From: FlirtyMouse Sent: 18/03/2007 6:41 PM
I use MFMDesigns for mine and the artist's marks.
From: Happysoul· Sent: 18/03/2007 11:39 PM
Hi,
I put Haps's tag in a very inconspicious place also use the luminance
legacy to make it similar to the background, never near the Artist's©
as that is not done.
This is also a transparent watermark, & is accepted by a lot of msn
groups that state you must watermark.
Happy
From: crazykittie27 Sent: 2/08/2007 11:57 AM
i put 2 watermarks on all my tags one is visible the other isnt unless your looking for it. but also if some trys to take a tag ive made an dismatle it, which i have had that done, one thing in psp a lot dont know about is the image info. every tag i create an put my own name on it gets image info, 2 watermarks on the tag an plus my name goes in the file name of the tag. makes it almost impossible for someone to dismantle my tags. another thing is i save a blank base for every tag i make.
From: ●Denny Sent: 2/08/2007 8:45 PM
I gave up putting my watermark on the tags I make a long time ago. What I do though ... is keep all the blanks I made, with the layers all showing ... on my pc. So ... this way, I can show everyone that I have made the tag ... and also it's got the date in the properties box.
My watermarks are continually removed ... so don't bother. Sometimes I also put Denz tag on my tags ... but that's about it.
You can try and try, but not everyone really wants to understand what is right and wrong ... and they will continue to do what they want.
From: agrnbaypackrfan Sent: 27/03/2008 9:46 PM
I just have realized how naive I am! I did not realize that people can remove watermarks etc or dismantle a tag....I guess if identy theft is a big issue out there, this would be a piece of cake, but just don't understand why the would do that. I always try to credit the artist and if I cannot find, just don't use anymore. Thanx for all the great info!
From: Janyzocean Sent: 24/04/2008 11:20 AM
I don't make tags. I do like to use them. Thanks for the info. I will be looking for copyright and watermarks.
Love Jan
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